> Starting on Dec. 19 the number of tunnels in the network started to increase, and as measured at one router, it peaked at about 3x normal levels on Dec. 26.
> I2P isn't really designed to work that way
> If a popular application uses more network resources than it contributes, it has the potential to take down the entire network.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26754

How are a few bitcoins taking down the entire I2P network???

P23332 more tunnels more fun

But tunnels are dangerous though. There might be some leaks in there...

>If a popular application uses more network resources than it contributes, it has the potential to take down the entire network.
well damn idk what to say about this I was gonna try out I2P+ since Tor was being DDoSed and wanted to expand my privacy tool set.

P23332
would Lokinet have these same problems?

P23335
Lokinet is worse because it's a lot smaller. But why worry that I2P could be attacked? Any network can be attacked, just some networks are more resilient then others.

P23350
> Lokinet is worse because it's a lot smaller.
Lets fix this people More I2P and Lokinet guides folks...get yah friends to use it lads.

P23353
Lokinet first needs a name change. Named after teh Norse trickster god? Fer real?

P23358
>Loki, Named after teh Norse trickster god? Fer real?
Allow me to introduce you to Mr. Hyde, Loki....

P23364
Loki is the pretty chill and cool guy from the Marvel movies. "Loki" can also be pronounced "low-key" with is a pretty good catchphrase for an anonymity network.

> Dude 1: bro you gonna get tracked by FBI?
> Dude 2: nah bro I'm going low-key

P23394
Yesh, liek "Low-Key Lyesmith" in Neil Gaiman's [bold: American Gods].

Cannae bring meself to trust anythin' named after Loki, sozz broham.

P23400
havn't used I2P yet but have used lokinet and its pretty nice just which their was more shared public exitnodes.

why would people use I2P for bitcoin, while I see you could I don't think private Remote Nodes can people hosted on I2P or am I wrong? I thought Remote Nodes were a Tor thing.

P23332
I2P создано моими братьями, мы пьем водку и пишем шифровальные программы, которые лучше, чем западные киски Tor.

P23497
Isn't the I2P team german?

P23508
There's an American i2p team and there's a Russian i2p team. There are one or two Germans who also contribute.

P23332
The lead I2P developer just announced that the I2P network is in danger of collapsing this weekend.
> From #dev on IRC 2022/12/29:
> <zzz> github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/26754
> <zzz> see the graphs
> <zzz> the network could die this weekend
> <zzz> that's how I define a problem

P23524
fucking cryptofags ruining everything

>bitcoon
>i2pee
real gucci

gay as fuck and worse, zoomy (compare with Tor) (German)

>Bro think the FBI'll get ya?
>THROUGH THE GATES OF HELL

>>P26603
>gay as fuck and worse, zoomy (compare with Tor) (German)

what do u mean? like the fact most relays are in germany either;
1. cause germany is [bold: N]A[bold: SA]
2. cause germany provides cheap vps hosting which might coincide with 1.

P26607
DE is best place to get a vps server out of

I2P is being overwhelmbed by darknets using switching to I2P and contributing nothing. I wouldn't be surprised that the more advanced and larger markets are using Tor as a frontend due to its popularity and using I2P as its main backend due to lack of popularity and relative more security in terms of hidden services. This is why it's so fucking important to contribute to these projects that literally provide us the protection we need. Will it allow darknet markets to proliferate? Yes but privacy is a human right. If I2P collapses either due to this - whether its the darknet markets abusing its resources, an attack from a state-sponsered adversary, or even an attack directly from the an intelligence agency or LE, this will extremely fucking bad for all privacy projects. This should serve a fucking wake up call. I2P deserved the funding, resources, and attention to prevent this from happening. It's been said years and not a single fucking soul listened. And fuckk Loki and all the other privacy projects further splintering the community and causing us to be unique. These privacy systems work when everyone uses them. Fuck it all.

P28001
>And fuckk Loki and all the other privacy projects further splintering the community and causing us to be unique. These privacy systems work when everyone uses them. Fuck it all.

dude we need more diversity, not (((diversity)) like splintering but we need more then one option. The more tools in our toolset the better.
[bold: I really want to run a relay of Tor and help i2p (haven't tried i2p) yet.]

>A potential problem with Lokinet is the high cost of running a service node. All service node owners are required to have a "stake" in the network. This means that they must own a certain amount of Loki cryptocurrency. By some estimates that I have seen, the size of the stake currently amounts to thousands of US dollars. This seems like a rather high barrier to entry, which could lead to having insufficient service nodes for carrying traffic if Lokinet ever becomes popular. And, the stake may go up in the future if the value of the Loki cryptocurrency increases. The high cost of a stake leads me to believe that someone is expecting to make some significant money from Lokinet, most likely meaning from the users of Lokinet.

>Chief36 also had something to say about this, "When OXEN is staked on a Service Node, the amount is locked up and remains unusable for a certain period of time (IIRC it is 2 weeks minimum). If a wallet can generate proof that it has been staking a certain amount of Oxen for a certain period of time on a Service Node, the wallet address gets rewarded with OXEN. The rewards are processed by the network itself. Rewards can help operators cover operation and maintenance costs and in many cases stakers have been profited." I don't think I need to be an economist to point out the fact that Service node hardware is being purchased with "real" money (i.e fiat currency) and the electricity and network connectivity to run them is being paid for with real money. So, unless Oxen cryptocurrency can be exchanged for real money, the operators of servers will not be paid. In order for that to happen, someone must have an incentive to pay real money for Oxen. What is that incentive? The only incentive I have seen is the "privilege" of running a server, which may be extremely costly. So, I see how the organization that runs Lokinet is being paid, but how are the operators of Oxen nodes being paid? If the only people paying real money into the network are the node operators, then that is known as a pyramid scheme.

It's a fucking scam.

P28038
>I really want to run a relay of Tor and help i2p
If you decide on running a i2p node, use the C++ version (i2pd) and not the Java version. There's a nasty de-anonymization bug in Java i2p that allows you to tie destinations (hidden services) to routers (relays). I don't want to get too deep into the weeds here but if you send a garlic messages with a clove that contains delivery instructions to the router hash that hosts the destination it just... delivers the inner garlic message to the destination. So you can try different router hashes until you hear back from the destination and boom you know the destination's host router (and therefore their IP). Given that there are only a few thousand high capacity X and P routers this doesn't take long at all to find high profile eepsites.

Even when zzz gets around to fixing that, i2pd is much more performant. The streaming code will become even more performant when I get around to rewriting streaming using the tech advancements made in Lokinet. It's high is on my list of issues (consider Lokinet in the meantime though).

P28064
>It's a fucking scam.
Only if you completely ignore the users. Oxen is economically sound and always will be.

The last few days I2P network went crazy. Now it's better.

>>P28064
So it leaves people with money to run them aka the gubberment?

>>P28072
Was thinking I2P+ ?
>
can you tunnel termianl through i2p (not outproxies)

i2p devs are homos and pozed

P28965
>reddit
picrel

zzz types like a morbidly obese man out of breath

>Is everyone's network dead? I got this on the server all day:
>Tunnel creation success rate: 1%
OH NO NO NO
>Bitcoin network affected too:
>Apr 23 13:47:50 bitcoind[242178]: 2024-04-23T13:47:50Z [i2p] Error listening: Receive timeout
DO B*TCOINS REALLY
https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/issues/2057

Not sure what the i2problem is. Yet [bold:again], something is up with the C++ version but is fine for the rest of us.

>Banned: 3982
>Tunnel Lag: 1023 ms
How on earth is that "fine"?

I was referring to the Build Success Rate; the banned numbers shot up after the mitigations from the DDoS that occured about a year ago. That's when that number went up.

What is the point of the "Build Success Rate" when the tunnels crawl at 3 KiB? The only thing banning routers achieves is banning the good routers. The crappy Java realization is killing the network.

Should've posted this before...

P91729
RIP I2P Bros

P91737
Only 3/4 of the network are malicious routers. There's nothing wrong with I2P.

P91739
Having enemies means you are doing it right.

P91740
cope

P91740
There's a difference between having enemies and having enemies destroy your network.

P91739
><zzz> eyedeekay, please don't make any promises in news or on reddit, just say we're working on it
><eyedeekay> I won't commit us to anything
tfw the devs can't even commit to fixing the network.

P23334
Where can I find the leaks? I'm craving soup rn

P91830
IRC in I2P

P91830
There's logs of the dev stuff on http://major.i2p/ . If that site's Acetone's, he's probably using i2pd, which would account for it being hard to reach right n ow. The C++ version seems to be affected more.

http://major.i2p/irc2p/i2p-dev/2024/04/26 (might take awhile to reach)

P91850
Loaded fine for me. I do have a really low success rate for tunnels, though.

Odd. It loaded in seconds this time but when I first replied it took forever.

https://www.reddit.com/r/i2p/comments/1cdprxg/network_weather_update_still_stormy_suggested/

I'm going to try the mitigations just for shits & giggles, because I'm not really seeing network degradation. Some eepsites are laggy, but it's not as bad as it was last year at this time when I couldn't even get on Irc2p.